Aeon Centre of Cosmology Website Launched

"It is not through a repetition of rituals, as inspiring as they may be, or by the chanting of mantras that the connection with the Veda is maintained, rather, only the thread of Knowledge can be the direct link between India today and of the Vedic Age, precisely as the word implies - veda, knowledge.  That this potent word lies at the root of the civilisation surely indicates a unique destiny." ['Puranic Cosmology Updated,' Part 1]

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New Website Launched

We are pleased to announce the official launch of our new website:

 

www.aeoncentre.com

It's hard to believe that only two months have passed since The Future Realisation exhibition in New Delhi. Among other things, Thea has been writing a new series of articles, The Conundrum of India's Choice of Destiny, which are being published in the Organiser magazine and are also available on our website in their full, unedited form.

The website itself has grown organically out of our experience in New Delhi and our understanding for the need to make this work more accessible to a wider public. We hope that it will become an important resource for those who vibrate to the mission of Sri Aurobindo and the Mother -- all who aspire to be conscious instruments of the Supramental Manifestation upon Earth.

We are re-issuing the Vishaal Newsletter, originally written by Thea and published by the Aeon Centre of Cosmology between the years 1985-1995, packed with in-depth applications of the New Way. The first issue is now online and we will be releasing new issues regularly. Stay tuned for much more to come.

We have also created Aeon Forum, a place where everyone can engage in dialogues beyond science and spirituality. We hope that you will join us in the important work of seeing in understanding, and evolving our collective views beyond the polarities of secular and spiritual dogma. Although the polar tension continues to increase in India and abroad, this only means that those who see the way out of the morass have a greater responsibility now than ever to light the way forward. And those of us who are just learning to see -- a greater responsibility now than ever to focus our lens of perception, to learn to see in a new way.

Included below is the Welcome Message that our director, Thea, wrote for the new website. We hope you will take the time to read it, and join us in this new and exciting phase of the work!

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"Why is Aeon Centre of Cosmology putting forward its work of the past several decades in this new comprehensive format? The reason is that never like now has the national discourse in India and throughout the world become so intensely polarised. In India this polarisation revolves around a question that seems to defy solution: Is India, born as an independent nation in 1947, to revert to establishing itself on its ancient moorings, or will those be discarded in favour of the reigning principles of our 21st Century, in many ways foreign to the ancient tradition?

"This is the new India’s 67th year. However, that newness is only a small part of her history. The contours of her abiding civilisation are found in carry-overs from very ancient times. Having this dual living framework of destiny and being unique among all nations for this very reason, Aeon Centre of Cosmology is duty-bound to provide answers that can help resolve the issue of an amalgam of both ancient and new as a living force within the context of conditions on the globe today."

Link to full message at www.aeoncentre.com
 

The Future Realisation - New Delhi - Additional Information

See additional exhibition information below poster:

 

The Future Realisation - New Delhi

Reflections on the Nature of the Real - 3

Vedic Mathematics and

the Dharma that is Eternal

Thea (PNB)

Aeon Centre of Cosmology

Tamil Nadu, South India

4.9.2014

The article by Professor C.K. Raju that appeared in The Hindu on 3 September 2014, entitled ‘Nothing Vedic in Vedic Maths’, I feel requires a thoughtful response because it is entirely misleading. The learned professor is not to blame; he has taken up a subject that can only be rightfully analysed by a person who has realised the consciousness of the Vedic Rishis – and therefore what emanates from such a realisation in present times can in all honesty be termed Vedic. Naturally there has to be the necessary discrimination that allows one to pass judgement on the work of such enlightened souls.

This is what Swami Sri Bharati Krishna Tirtha-ji has done (originally published as Vedic Mathematics by the Banaras Hindu University in 1965). Incorporating Vedic Mathematics in school curricula is extremely important not because it brings out the attainments of the ancient Rishis, but rather it proves the eternal essence of the Dharma and that it is alive and well even in the midst of a contemporary society that appears to be far removed from that Source. It is important to do so for the fact that the Sanatana Dharma can thus be seen to be injecting life into the civilisation from time immemorial to the present.  This needs to be brought to light and demonstrated to the youth.

One who has reached that level of unity consciousness – that is, who has tread the same path as the Rishis, please take note – will produce a body of higher knowledge that expresses something of the same swar-solar essence. But also to be noted is that Swar, because it is translated as ‘heaven’ has been misleading spiritual aspirants by creating the illusion of a goal in the Beyond, disconnected from our planetary base. Contrarily, Swar is not a plane, a dimension beyond but is simply a realisation of the Truth-Consciousness exactly as propounded in the Veda – particularly in the Rig Veda – i.e. solar. When the lid (Vritra, the coverer of the Sun) is removed from the face of the supramental Sun of Consciousness, one has realised Swar and one has established one’s place in the pantheon along with the Immortal Ones.

This is what Swami Bharati Tirtha-ji brings to our attention by his offering of Vedic Mathematics to India and the world. This can never be understood by scholars trained in the halls of contemporary academia and according to the organisers of the curricula in India’s educational institutions. At this critical point in her evolution, as a civilisation that still maintains a connection to the ancient Source, the task at hand is to incorporate a discipline such as Vedic Mathematics for the purpose of allowing the young of contemporary India to appreciate the ancient tradition of renewal and thus to escape the trap of fossilisation that has engulfed humanity by the emergence of various brands of fundamentalism that contradict the Sanatana Dharma.

Vedic Mathematics, as the discipline has reached us through the genius of the Swami-ji, is an example of how to escape that plunge into fundamentalism. But mistakes are made when this pathway is not accurately understood and deviations are sought to be brought into the curricula, an example of which is Vedic Astrology; it was introduced into higher educational institutions by the earlier NDA regime.

Lamentably, there is nothing truly vedic in that brand of astrology; rather, it is actually un-Vedic and this can be easily proven by facts, such as science demands. Astrology became un-Vedic precisely when scholars/astronomers took it upon themselves to ‘set things right’ in astrological calculations. Their claim is that astrology is mere pseudo-science and is therefore superstition. But the truth of the matter is that astronomers are the direct cause of the ancient Vedic art tumbling into the abyss of superstition by unknowingly upholding the 13^th-century statement of Al Biruni in his book India, ‘The solstice has kept its place, but the constellations have migrated, just the very opposite of what Varaha has fancied.’ (India, II, p.7.)*    

Thus, post-Independence astronomers took up the advice of Al Biruni and also proclaimed that ‘the zodiac has moved on’ and is ‘no longer where it once was’, thereby setting firmly in place the misconceived Nirayana system of astrological computation for horoscopes and all temple rituals. The practical result is that the Equinoxes and Solstices, firm foundation of the art of the Sacred from the Vedic Age and still the foundation of temple constructions, have been eliminated as the fourfold basis of astrological computations and temple rituals by a displacement in time (and astrology is a study in the application of Time) of what should be the most important festival in the Hindu Calendar: the Makar Sankranti, or the entry into the sign of the zodiac known universally as Capricorn. This entry MUST coincide with the December Solstice, the shortest day of the year in the northern hemisphere. As it now stands (and certainly this is revealing of the mire into which India has been submerged, causing a tamasic ‘tardiness’ in response to matters Vedic) that most important of all festivals, a date of such immense significance in the Veda and the Epics is today celebrated 23 days after entry into Makar – or Capricorn, known to astrologers throughout the world as the zodiacal ruler of India. If so-called Vedic Astrology had been called Post-Vedic, it would have been correct and its inclusion in the curricula would have been acceptable. But since it is not and continues to be presented to students as ‘Vedic’, it is not only incorrect but an outright falsehood. We have science and scholars to thank for this aberration that affects 80% of the population of the subcontinent, as well as the pundits who have not given deep thought to the sanctity of their trade that demands the utmost dedication to Truth.

There is another area of the Vedic legacy that can prove the eternal character of the Dharma, and therefore the precise way in which it escapes fossilisation. This concerns the vedi, or Vedic Altar, seat of the ancient Sacrifice. The new Indo-Centric Cosmology provides factual proof of how updating is accomplished in this pre-eminently Vedic area of the Dharma. In early January of 2015, an example of updating the Vedi will be presented as an offering of Aeon Centre of Cosmology to the Indian public at the Indira Gandhi National Centre for the Arts in New Delhi. It is an exhibition based on the vision of a contemporary Seer of the highest order, the Mother, Sri Aurobindo’s co-worker. Similar to the renewal accomplished by Vedic Mathematics, the Mother has provided the nation with the new Vedi for the new Age. This is by far the most significant example of just how the Dharma eternally renews itself.

Ganga Devi on her Vahana Makar, the Crocodile

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*  Quoted in the Introduction to M. Ramakrishna Bhat’s translation of Varamihira's Brihat Samhita, Part 1 (published by Motilal Banassidas) 1981.

The Future Realisation Video Series

Q&A with PNB, Aurodhan Art Gallery, Pondicherry, 27 Feb 2014

Below is a list of links to The Future Realisation Exhibit Video Series, featuring footage and Q&A with Patrizia Norelli-Bachelet from the exhibition which took place 9-27 February 2014 at Aurodhan Art Gallery in Pondicherry. The exhibition was a presentation 'connecting the Supramental Gnosis of the Mother to the Vedic Age' and featured the sacred measurements given by the Mother regarding the Inner Chamber of her Temple, from 31 December 1969 to 17 January 1970. The videos discuss the significance of these sacred measures in terms of the Supramental Yoga of Sri Aurobindo and the Mother and the fact that these measures were not employed in the building of the Auroville Matrimandir.

• Introduction (see commentary on PCU)
• Part One
• Part Two
• Part Three
• Part Four 
• Part Five  
• Part Six
• Part Seven

These videos will also be posted on Sri Aurobindo Ashram Cover-Up Exposed Facebook page as well as The Future Realisation Facebook page.

The Future Realisation exhibit - A Video Introduction

An extraordinary video discussing

A COVER-UP OF EPIC PROPORTIONS

In January of 1970 the Mother, who, together with Sri Aurobindo, opened the way for the supramental Truth-Consciousness to become established in the Earth’s evolutionary matrix, made the most significant breakthrough of the age. She entered the solar world and saw there a chamber which in sacred architecture encapsulated the entire process of supramentalisation for both individual and collectivity. As never before recorded in the annals of the sacred sciences, the Mother then drew up a plan of the chamber with very precise measurements for its construction in our world of time and space. This left an indelible imprint: the chamber’s exact contours and geometry can never be erased from the matrix after her act of measuring.

In the video Aeon Centre of Cosmology offers, Patrizia Norelli-Bachelet, its director, discusses for the first time the machinations that for 44 years succeeded in hiding from the public the most extraordinary accomplishment ever recorded in the sacred sciences. In her introductory comments to Aeon Centre’s new series entitled, The Future Realisation, she reveals all the details of this sordid cover-up.

The Mother’s original plan with its gnostic content was recently presented at Aurodhan Art Gallery in Pondicherry (9-27 February 2014), in an exhibition of the same name. Attendees were astonished to learn for the first time of the Mother’s accomplishment, and, moreover, that it had been hidden so successfully for decades.

Why was this cover-up done? Because in the highest tradition of the sacred arts, the Mother had ‘written’ in the chamber’s measurements the details of the continuity of the Supramental Line and the fulfilment of Sri Aurobindo’s mission. His followers, those to whom this knowledge would matter the most, must never know the truth.

We invite all who understand the value of the Supramental Manifestation for the Earth to follow this series and to assist in whatever way deemed appropriate to right this unconscionable wrong. The supramental Solar Line continues, in spite of all attempts by vested interests to hide this fact.

Economic Crises and the New Way – 2

Thea’s response to questions from her group

on the current economic crisis

In these matters it is necessary to provide practical examples, and certainly speculative theory has never satisfied me, nor is it an accepted aspect of the New Way. My point was made in Part 1 that ‘doles’ or schemes for the poor that are simply hand-outs, be this either from government or charitable organisations, is not the way to build a strong, self-reliant society – which should be the aim of all political ideologies. To provide the example, I will describe the creation of Skambha, the small piece of land where the Centre was built because this is where theory was put into practice.

    The location of Skambha was not a haphazard choice. The land was ‘discovered’ after a major yogic breakthrough in 1983-4, a breakthrough which changed the entire course of the Work and made it possible even to write these lines today. With that breakthrough the transformation entered a new phase, central to which was the specific location of the Centre. However, when the land was actually discovered its geo-cosmological relevance was not known; this came shortly after. Thus was born a real and true power point. There are many theories about such places on Earth, but what is not appreciated is that in order to establish or to discover or to unveil such a location on the globe, the yogic process is required beforehand; then the spatial position can be discovered. The one without the other is impossible.

    To be brief, the first stage of the breakthrough occurred on 17 April 1983. It was a part of what I called the Yoga of the Chamber. In 1983 perfect alignment with its resultant centring occurred; this made it possible to locate the place on the globe that would provide the spatial coordinate in harmony with that particular date. Thus, in December 1985 this did come to pass. As could be expected, the location where this perfect synchronisation of time and space occurred, based on the prior yogic breakthrough, was a totally backward area. There were no roads, and certainly no electricity or telephones. It was, in addition, a completely virgin field which seemed in keeping with the third level of the Supramental Manifestation that was taking shape on this planet and which required a new field, distinct from the laboratory Sri Aurobindo and the Mother required for the first two stages of the transformation. Everything about the location revealed the newness we were dealing with and that the ‘construction’ both physically and yogically, had to be from scratch.

    The area in question was sparsely populated. There was a small village nearby, populated entirely by migrant workers – that is, they served the needs of the small coffee estates nestled here and there across the landscape. This meant that they were employed only seasonally when coffee beans needed to be collected, or else pruning was required or fertilising, and so forth. This meant that for the better part of the year the local population had no earning possibility. Hardly any of the estate owners lived on their small coffee plantations. Thus there was not even domestic employment available. The village was not a traditional one with its naturally-formed hierarchy and the usual administration set up by the villagers themselves to attend to their needs, as one finds in the older and more traditional villages on the plains across India. Moreover, there was a migrant worker mentality prevailing throughout, which centrally meant that there was no concept or desire for permanent work. The idea was to work for several months and then enjoy a long period of layoff, during which time working members of the households had to seek employment elsewhere; some would descend onto the plains during these periods but for the most part they preferred to wait it out.

    When we entered the scene it was obvious that the local population was weak and sickly. Clearly the inhabitants were not even getting one solid meal a day. The children of these house-holds were underfed and emaciated, as were their parents. But most distressing of all was the mental attitude of the labour force – such as it was – that did not understand the benefit of steady employment. They were used to doles from either missionaries in quest of conversions, or other forces that in some way could exploit this backwardness. My policy from the beginning was not to feed this arrangement in any way; obviously this would create problems initially when it was expected of Aeon Trust that more doles would be forthcoming. When this was not the case, rebellion was the first response; later on this frustration was used by certain unsavoury elements that sought to occupy the land we had acquired when development was on its way and the prospect of an easy occupation was enticing. In such a fertile soil the local population could be manipulated into believing that exploitation was the name of the game, since ignorance was widespread and the locals did not initially realise that Aeon Trust was actually providing an avenue out of the extreme poverty and backwardness that they had come to accept as their way of life. But this is another story that can be told at a later date for it reveals the method of true exploitation of power of many hues that seek to take advantage of backwardness and ignorance for their own designs.

    The Centre had to be built from scratch. There was no proper road, as mentioned, therefore just getting supplies to the spot was a formidable task. But the means to uplift the local population was evident from the beginning: all that was required was steady work. However, this was not to the liking of the locals, perhaps because hardly any were in condition physically to sustain permanent construction employment; it was not long though before improvement was evident: there was food on the table on a regular basis, not through doles to the poor but by the constant work offered throughout the year and not merely seasonally as had been the case until then. Aeon Trust was the first new player in the field to introduce this practice. As it turned out, we had to sustain a lengthy period of education until the benefits of steady employment would produce results that doles could never do. This produced difficulties initially, but the results were so obviously beneficial that we realised it was just a question of time before acceptance would be forthcoming. In the meantime, there were those infamous ‘vested interests’ to contend with because these areas of backwardness were fertile grounds for manipulation of all sorts, to suit whatever the cause or ideology. If added to this was a policy of no bribing, our difficulties were compounded a hundredfold. Those groups, furthermore, were not lacking in funds at all, whereas Aeon Trust was operating on a shoestring budget. To begin with, we could not compete with the lavish amounts poured into the area to keep it backward and submissive – the ultimate goal, rather then to foment self-reliance and a thirst for self-respect and dignity. These questions were not even prominent in the minds of the locals; they were entirely accustomed to exploitation which they came to equate with generosity – i.e. a compassionate charity. It was evident from the earliest days that what we had been plummeted into was a classic case of exploitation of ignorance on many levels.

    The problem we faced was to hold fast during the education period, which lasted almost a decade in fact, for the benefits of steady employment over doles to be appreciated. The result today after 27 years of maintaining the same policy is that the local population has changed entirely. The area is no longer considered backward, where before there were shacks as living habitation, we now see stone and brick houses with proper roofs, and the invariable motorcycle parked at the door, the ultimate sign of an increasing prosperity. We see the young all attending school where earlier they could not because of the extreme poverty of the household. Physically the change has been remarkable. In the beginning we were faced with a population that could hardly be called a work force because of its weak and sickly condition. Today this situation is a thing of the past that can hardly be remembered. The young are taller and stronger than their parents, school-going – and even working at Skambha on the weekends to earn pocket money or to help out their families. Had we given in to their demands for charity, to which they had been accustomed, we would have been simply feeding a monster that needs to be completely eradicated at the earliest.

    Mention should be made of the smaller family norm that came with education and uplifting. While the older generation had families of four and five, all the youth who have grown up in the atmosphere of the Skambha initiative have families of no more than two offspring; not one of the many young couples who have come of age in this environment have broken this self-established formula. Government inducements were not required, simply education and better nutrition.

    This makes it clear why doles are a convenient mechanism to enchain (enslave?) a population and to encourage weakness and lack of self-respect and dignity. The problem is that such hand-outs give immediate results. No one wants to wait out the long period required to change those wrong expectations. Truly it is an educative process with no shortcuts. One has to build up a new consciousness, not just of an elite that seeks God realisation but right from the grass roots level. If we wish to transform conditions on Earth that will allow the manifestation of higher principles to take hold, the entire population has to be made a part of the process, but each at its own level, each thing in its rightful place. Yet the methodology is always the same.

    It was this foundational knowledge that lay at the heart of the ancient caste system: each thing in its place. Naturally over the years this structure degenerated, most probably when quick and easy exploitation became desirable. I do not buy the facile argument that the degeneration was to be laid at the feet of the Brahmin caste entirely; but certainly the ruling classes do bear the responsibility of allowing for the degeneration, and being the highest caste we naturally expect that corrective measures should have come from that section – but they did not. The reasons why have been treated extensively in the course of my exposition of the new cosmology and need not be repeated. Let it be stated simply that the degeneration did set in at the highest quarter but not as an exploitative measure; it was simply the wrong direction the spiritual endeavour took which left the field below, here on Earth, at the mercy of elements in the population that were only too happy to exploit this abandonment. Indeed, the degeneration we live in the midst of today has its roots in that wrong turn spirituality took in India at least two millennia ago.

    There is no easy way out now. The structures protecting the old and deformed collective consciousness need to be dismantled. That requires warrior types and is not a labour for the faint hearted.

   

Economic Crises and the New Way – 1

Thea’s response to questions from her group

on the current economic crisis
(followed by commentary)

PH: David Rieff published a blog titled “A Battle for the Soul of India” on The National Interest (http://nationalinterest.org/commentary/battle-the-soul-india-8993). As I read it, I found his summary of the debate between our two Indian economists, Amartya Sen and Jagdish Bhagwati, to be both fascinating and puzzling. Help me out on the terms…

REW: What it boils down to is a disagreement between the Conservative and Liberal schools of economics…  what you are seeing in India and all around the globe is precisely the catastrophe of the currency system….For me this goes back to what the Mother once wrote about the future financial system. It follows almost exactly what she said about Science and Spirituality and the ‘Third Thing’ beyond them both that alone could solve the problem. "The age of Capitalism and business is drawing to a close. But the age of Communism, too, will pass. For Communism as it is preached is not constructive, it is a weapon to combat plutocracy. But when the battle is over and the armies are disbanded for want of employment, then Communism, having no more utility, will be transformed into something else that will express a higher truth. We know this truth, and we are working for it so that it may reign upon earth."

You can see something of this situation being played out in the dialog between Sen and Bhagwati. As the article says: “… the fate of hundreds of millions of Indians depends to a significant extent on whether the Indian government signs on to the basic premises behind the economic and social policies Bhagwati has been recommending, or instead to the one Sen has championed.”

What you write about economics is truly of great interest. This is an area that must be articulated. I have not done so yet – at least according to the ‘third thing’. Of course like every right-thinking person I realise that neither capitalism nor socialism can bring the answers we seek. But if there is a choice forced between the two I will always choose capitalism because whatever its faults it fosters what I believe to be the most important feature of the New Way: freedom.

    You may argue that this is a fictitious freedom and that it exists only to manipulate society – the consumerist society – so that more goods are purchased to fill greedy coffers, etc. This is a simplistic way of putting it because the ramifications are extensive, as we all know; but it will do for now. The only point I am making is that fictitious or not it does allow room for the voice of the people to be heard. In the midst of the collapse we see around us (and I use this word differently than you do perhaps) voices are heard. You have mentioned a few in your comments to X. Actually, the so-called collapse is simply the dissolution of both systems; this is what is taking place. One would have to be blind not to see what lies behind the economic crises we are living through.

    To reach that point of dissolution both socialism and capitalism had to be brought to their extremes. For example, communism was the extreme form of socialism and it ended in an almost total rejection of individual freedom, to the point of becoming a grotesque caricature of what it originally set out to do which was to free the oppressed classes from an oligarchy of the rich and the dynastic rule they had been subjected to for centuries. Brought to its extreme the only way it could survive was by completely stifling that freedom. When it was forced to collapse – in an apparent victory of capitalism – communism sought a more benign face in order to make itself acceptable to the spirit of the new times. Communism went to the people as pure socialism wedded to democracy. But that sealed its fate because it then became just another end of the pole of tension between the two forces: communism/socialism and capitalism. At the heart of the struggle lies, as ever, the collapse of the binary system. That is what underlies the problems on the economic front. Most people view the struggle as between these two systems; in effect, it is the binary creation that has to give way to the unitary. That has been the entire focus of my work since 1990 – centred almost entirely on the Yoga of the Horse, as you are aware.

    So, we have to be clear about what we are dealing with. You have nicely analysed the two poles in your discussion about Amartya Sen and Jagdish Bhagwati, two faces – but for me OF THE SAME COIN. That is the crux of the problem. Clearly what is necessary is indeed that ‘third thing’ – but can we agree on what that should be? Perhaps it is too early to do so. However, a word of caution is necessary: for the New Way to operate the key feature has to be a growth from within, as a flower opening up and gradually, organically occupying the inner spaces, and in this act it pushes out, slowly but definitively and surely, the old order. This means that in the just terms of the New Way THERE IS NEVER A COLLAPSE because there is NEVER A VOID. If such were the case, we could not speak of a NEW way, much less of a ‘third thing’. The cornerstone of my work (which was never explained by the Mother or Sri Aurobindo in full, except to indicate what we must strive for, that ‘third thing’) is that I consciously ‘filled the void’. This was done cosmically, as in a cosmological formula, but through the Individual. Hence it was of the Earth, for the Earth. I knew at that time, right when it was transpiring in my Yoga, that the work WAS DONE. It was just a question of time before that tiniest point would give forth in an increasing measure the tools required for the new order to become established. But it is indeed a NEW order. That means centrally that there will never more be any experience of total collapse because there is no Void as in earlier times before the Void was filled. It is impossible now. What has to happen is that conditions have to conspire to allow for the Third Thing to flower and fill those empty spaces left by the dissolution taking place. This has been the focus of the Yoga of the Horse, and by extension, the Cow as well. Both go hand in hand. But the warriors of the piece are the horses – out there on the battle field directly, not a question of sending their products to do the work while they remain nestled in the comforting womb of the Centre. And this too is in the just order of things. The Cow is undifferentiated Consciousness; the Horse steps in and creates those periods that form our Year (hence the vital importance of the correct calendar.) Then alone can we tackle the Falsehood. Throughout history this has been the heroic role of the Horse: to do battle upfront, face to face with the enemy. The Yoga of the Horse is no different.

    Back to economics. Capitalism has followed the same course as socialism over the past few decades. India is a case in point, caught in the confusion of the two systems and not able to come up with answers as yet. Of course she cannot because until now she too has been as if on a seesaw – or seeking to find accommodation on one or the other end of the binary pole. Clearly, India cannot engage in anything that resembles the old order; she cannot solve her crises on this basis. But, is there any hint that she knows how to get out of the binary trap in a NEW way? The first essential would be an opening to Sri Aurobindo’s work because that is where the answers are to be found. And the next is that she admits there is a third way beyond both binary poles. Capitalism has revealed itself incapable of solving the problems because carried to its extremes we have what we see around us: the rich get richer, the poor get poorer. India has now fallen back on the socialist answer: doles. Any right-thinking person knows that that cannot ever be the answer because it goes against the premises of the third way which is to foster growth FROM WITHIN. This applies cosmically, individually, and in society as a whole. Therefore the way has to be found to stimulate that inner development from the proverbial grass roots: doles, schemes for the poor, and all the rest of it, can only produce further debt in an economy that is already overburdened. More than that, it creates a weak and wimpish society – indeed, what India has known for decades because of the socialist formulas of former regimes. There is definitely a way to avoid these pitfalls – provided, however, that there is a will to find the solution, and especially the ability to think ‘out of the box’. This means to find solutions that honour the deepest dharma of nations, particularly India that has to lead the world.

    I find nothing wrong in your analyses of the two systems; it is just that I know you expect, as many do, a total collapse of the world economy, without realising that if this were to take place, it would mean that the Earth has forsaken her place in the harmonious scheme of things and that she could not provide the field where these issues can and will be resolved – IN A NEW WAY. The expectation of a mortal human race under the rule of Death is that complete destruction must take place before the new can manifest. This is what civilisations across the world have known throughout our recorded history. The reason why the Rig Veda cannot be understood by any Indian today is because its hymns were the product of a race of Immortal Ones. This is the only reason why its secrets remain closed behind steel doors – the doors protecting the Ignorance, keeping the human race subjugated to the rule of Death. When Death is the finality of course the only ‘solution’ we can fathom is destruction, obliteration of the Eye that Sees, oblivion, and all the rest of it down the line. This is the purpose of war. In a society ruled by Death and the Ignorance, of course war is legitimate. To believe otherwise is to live in a fool’s paradise. We have to accept our position and condition realistically; otherwise we are simply living in denial. Like programmes for addicts, the first thing is to admit you are an addict. Then you can begin to come out of your predicament.

    In this case we must see that the totality of conditions demands the war response. However, and this is the blessing, if we have a means to help us ‘see in understanding’ via the new cosmology, then we also know that our comfort zone of war is also part of the dissolution. It is just not the same anymore. It never gives a conclusive result. Since the 1960s this has been the case in every single war we have fought. We go on trying, relying on the old responses; but they will increasingly bring us to face the fact that in this too a NEW way is demanded. I am not advocating the weakness of comprise – rather, harmony based on strength. There is a huge difference. India is a case in point. Her present condition – leaving aside her economic woes – cannot introduce anything other than the weakness we observe everyday and the subjugation to the dictates of her enemies. Another case in point, to call those enemies ‘friends’ just because we believe that is the noble and religious way (as in forgive your enemies, or do unto others as you would have done unto yourself), is equally a falsehood. Strength comes from the inner resolve of that innermost truth. We must allow that to carry the day and stop fantasising about making friends of enemies. It will never happen, it is not meant to happen. However, I must qualify this statement: the answer will come shortly when ‘each thing is put in its rightful place’. Then there can never be any such categorisation of ‘we’ and ‘them’, enemies and friends. It is simply the lesson of Mahasaraswati: each thing in its place – and that is HARMONY. Thereafter integration occurs: each thing in its place.

    But let’s forget those of the moneyed class: they will never get it. All they know is to further the Binary System.

    We have a long, long way to go.

Thea [Patrizia Norelli-Bachelet]

Director, Aeon Centre of Cosmology

18 September 2013

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HK: I would put it this way. The current financial system based on debt, is basically founded upon VOID, as debt is the absence of money, and they have given us promissory notes (greenbacks), just as [they] assure us of a heaven afterwards, after struggling here (to pay off the debts). Money is created out of NOTHING, backed only by the eleven aircraft carriers, and since there is NO CENTRE to fall back upon, this system is destined to implode.
    In a NEW WAY economics, I would say that money would be based on something solid and tangible like GOLD, or something valuable. And even this value would be backed up by people's contributions to society, and so ultimately the people would be the centre of the economy and not money. The SOUL would take its place as the CENTRE, and since it is always there (eternal, undying), the economy is constantly rejuvenating, taking new forms according to the needs of the situation (rather than dependent on mental ideas like capitalism, communism).


Thea: … It is along these lines that the new order must arise. Really, there is no such bracketing together by separating items like economy, military, education, etc.. It is truly all one, once the base is established. It would all find its rightful place within the system that provides for all the needs in the correct proportion.
   The key here is not to build on a void but rather Fullness. This issue is how to translate that to the whole of society as in a new order? I don't see that gold could be that 'solid' something we need on its own. The idea of the basis being the PEOPLE is the right course, just as it is at Skambha (perhaps the only true 'communism' in existence). But all this implies a society living in the soul - of course this is what the Mother had envisioned for the city-consciousness. Truly, all we have to do is to use the keys she left and we have the answers: The chamber/temple as representative of that soul, of that 'centre that fills the void', the city stabilised on that Point, drawing all sustenance AND REPLENISHMENT from that centre which is the connection 'to the other side', as in the new scientific paradigm I formulated.
    It is all so simple, yet none of our so-called leaders can come up with something true, real - and bountiful. Poverty, penury IS NOT THE NEW WAY. That is clear. Poverty is an aberration. It exists in India largely because of corruption, which is the way of Death. It indicates ego interests as central: the me, myself and I syndrome, the perversion of the Third Principle: the individual out for himself alone, his family, his clan, with all his insecurities and fears. But once the 'hole' is 'plugged' all of this comes into being so naturally. This is why the zillion new alternative energy sources that bright people are discovering almost on a daily basis cannot actually fructify. We blame the failing on those dratted oil companies and their vested interests. Yes, but why do THEY exist? In the New Way they simply could not. That is the key: they could not because those twists and knots are transformed to display their truthful core, their truthful and uncontaminated essence. In a word, the energy they hoard away - as in the Rig Vedic myth - is released. That is the key: to get those knots undone and the energy they hoard for ego interests released.
    Actually, Skambha runs along these lines. But we stand quite alone.

The Mother on money
[The] Mother's Agenda
Vol. 1, 4.10.1958

       Money belongs to the one who spends it; that is an absolute law. You may pile up money, but it doesn't belong to you until you spend it. Then you have the merit, the glory, the joy, the pleasure of spending it!
    Money is meant to circulate. What should remain constant is the progressive movement of an increase in the earth's production and ever-expanding progressive movement to increase the earth's production and improve existence on earth. It is the material improvement of terrestrial life and the growth of the earth's production that must go on expanding, enlarging, and not this silly paper or this inert metal that is amassed and lifeless.
    Money is not meant to generate money; money should generate an increase in production, an improvement in the conditions of life and a progress in human consciousness. This is its true use. What I call an improvement in consciousness, a progress in consciousness, is everything that education in all its forms can provide not as it's generally understood, but as we understand it here: education in art, education in ... from the education of the body, from the most material progress, to the spiritual education and progress through yoga; the whole spectrum, everything that leads humanity towards its future realisation. Money should serve to augment that and to augment the material base for the earth's progress, the best use of what the earth can give its intelligent utilisation, not the utilisation that wastes and loses energy. The use that allows energies to be replenished.
    In the universe there is an inexhaustible source of energy that asks only to be replenished; if you know how to go about it, it is replenished. Instead of draining life and the energies of our earth and making of it something parched and inert, we must know the practical exercise for replenishing the energy constantly. And these are not just words; I know how it's to be done, and science is in the process of thoroughly finding out ˗ it has found out most admirably. But instead of using it to satisfy human passions, instead of using what science has found so that men may destroy each other more effectively than they are presently doing, it must be used to enrich the earth: to enrich the earth, to make the earth richer and richer, more active, generous, productive and to make all life grow towards its maximum efficiency. This is the true use of money. And if it's not used like that, it's a vice ˗ a short circuit and a vice.
       But how many people know how to use it in this way? Very few, which is why they have to be taught. What I call teach is to show, to give the example. We want to be the example of true living in the world. It's a challenge I am placing before the whole financial world: I am telling them that they are in the process of withering and ruining the earth with their idiotic system; and with even less than they are now spending for useless things merely for inflating something that has no inherent life, that should be only an instrument at the service of life, that has no reality in itself, that is only a means and not an end (they make an end of something that is only a means) well then, instead of making it an end, they should make it the means. With what they have at their disposal they could ... oh, transform the earth so quickly! Transform it, put it into contact, truly into contact, with the supramental forces that would make life bountiful and, indeed, constantly renewed instead of becoming withered, stagnant, shrivelled up: a future moon. A dead moon.

   
Even
After
All this time
The Sun never says to the Earth,

"You owe me."

Look
What happens
With a love like that,
It lights the whole sky.

- Hafiz

LT: This has long been of my favourite poems ... a short and powerful reminder that exchanges of energy (in whatever form), are quite different from a Solar perspective than from the egoic perspective. When people’s baseline experience becomes abundance and perfection will there even be an economy? It just seems that money (in whatever form) represents wealth or value ... so what happens when people simply experience wealth or value directly. I just think of animals, and how they function perfectly well without an economy. There’s a different hierarchy in place, in terms of the food chain ... but there are no representations or symbols of wealth to be exchanged. Things just are what they are, and the play unfolds accordingly to the specific traits and capacities of each life form. Nothing gets compensated for being what it is or for contributing what it contributes to the Ecosystem.            
       Then comes Man who doesn’t really know what is what on planet Earth (or who is who), and out of our many needs, limited knowledge, limited capacities and pervasive sense of scarcity and insecurity we spontaneously create our economy which is ever more out of tune with the Earth's actual ecosystem and the human soul. And so we have our increasingly painful and unsustainable egonomy/egosystem at odds with the natural order ... the natural law/divine law.
       I just looked up the etymology of the word economy. Eco is traced back to 'house' and nomy to 'law' ... 'the law of the house'. Then I thought of the similarity between eco, and eka which is the Sanskrit word meaning One. Thankfully the Law of the One is designed to replace the insane 'law of the house' or law of the ego in due course of time. Now it occurs that the root word for horse, equi (from the Greek word iqo), is also tied into this interesting word play.
       Awhile back I did an etymological search on the word 'ego' [from the Greek word eko] ... imagining it had something to do with the Sanskrit word go meaning light or body of light as in cow, earth, mother, sun. In the Sanskrit dictionary, I found the word ago, the only definition of which was given was 'not cow'! Well our economy is certainly not the 'cow of plenty' (Kamadhenu) however much we wish it would be.

'Kamadhenu is a divine bovine-goddess described in Hindu mythology as the mother of all cows. She is a miraculous "cow of plenty" who provides her owner whatever he desires and is often portrayed as the mother of other cattle as well as the eleven Rudras. In iconography, she is generally depicted as a white cow with a female head and breasts or as a white cow containing various deities within her body. All cows are venerated in Hinduism as the earthly embodiment of the Kamadhenu. As such, Kamadhenu is not worshipped independently as a goddess, and temples are not dedicated to her honor alone; rather, she is honored by the veneration of cows in general throughout the observant Hindu population.
       'Hindu scriptures provide diverse accounts of the birth of Kamadhenu. While some narrate that she emerged from the churning of the cosmic ocean ... and that kings who tried to steal her from the sage ultimately faced dire consequences for their actions. Kamadhenu plays the important role of providing milk and milk products to be used in her sage-master's oblations; she is also capable of producing fierce warriors to protect him. In addition to dwelling in the sage's hermitage, she is also described as dwelling in Goloka - the realm of the cows - and Patala, the netherworld.'

Here is a passage from Sri Aurobindo's Hymns to the Mystic Fire that speak to the Vedic conception of treasure, wealth and the robbers and coverers of the Light that IS.

"Thought," says the Rishi, "has nourished for us human things in the Immortals, in the Great Heavens; it is the milch-cow which milks of itself the wealth of many forms" ˗ the many kinds of wealth, cows, horses and the rest for which the sacrificer prays; evidently this is no material wealth, it is something which Thought, the Thought embodied in the Mantra, can give and it is the result of the same Thought that nourishes our human things in the Immortals, in the Great Heavens. A process of divinisation, and of a bringing down of great and luminous riches, treasures won from the Gods by the inner work of sacrifice, is hinted at in terms necessarily covert but still for one who knows how to read these secret words, ninya vacamsi, sufficiently expressive, kavaye nivacana. Again, Night and Dawn the eternal sisters are like "joyful weaving women weaving the weft of our perfected works into the form of a sacrifice". Again, words with a mystic form and meaning, but there could hardly be a more positive statement of the psychological character of the Sacrifice, the real meaning of the Cow, of the riches sought for, the plenitudes of the Great Treasure.

The question of the Symbol and what it Symbolizes seems to me to be somehow central to the whole issue of wealth and whether or not one can experience value and security within reality as it is presented and lived. It seems that our conception of wealth - what it IS, what the symbols we use for it, what creates it - will undergo a serious uplifting as the symbol and the thing it symbolizes begins to align more clearly in our consciousness ... so that the Treasures generated by the harmonies of Space and Time (by Being and Becoming) are more accessible and available as compelling food and energy for the upward journey of individuals and the collective.

The Supramental Manifestation - Breaking Down the Old Ways

[The following transcript of a 1986 discussion with Thea, was originally published in The Vishaal Newsletter, Volume 1, Number 4, August 1986. Link to Part One]

Discussions with Patrizia Norelli-Bachelet 

15 June 1986, Stone Ridge, New York

Part Two

    What is your view of Kundalini? What I have been taught is that the whole process of Kundalini, is that it rose from the lower chakra and came up to the top of the head. And then...we were in another state of consciousness; and the lower sexual energies ― whatever ― were transcended. Hasn't that always been a traditional part of yoga?

    Well this I find a very interesting question because, you see, you're getting into...they call it Kundalini Yoga, but really the basis of this is the Tantra. Tantric Yoga, a very old path, an interesting path. Dealing with the Shakti, the Divine Mother. Very interesting this, because apparently this is a path that accepts the Mother, that accepts Matter. It deals with that. But yet, you understand that the whole process is to come up and out. So, basically it's using this energy to project oneself again out. Because your body then becomes the image of the cosmos. It becomes that thing. And you are doing the same thing. You are projecting yourself out. And you do attain this higher consciousness, this Brahman Consciousness. Surely.
    This is a part of Sri Aurobindo's work — precisely this Ascent and Descent. And this is the important key because then it is contained in the body. Now, the discoveries that I have made are certain key points where these two things join, and what happens when they join. So, in this work, for example, you don't experience the rise of the Kundalini as such, which you may experience in other paths, when really you can feel it. In this, you may and you may not. But you do experience the centres. At certain points they become active. And the difference is because at the same time, simultaneously you are experiencing the Descent. And the Descent is your protection really. The Descent is what keeps you in the body.

    The descent of ‘What’?

    That's a good question too, because you see you experience it as a descent of the light, as a descent of the force, the peace, whatever. The only difference is that when it is combined with this other movement, it is always dynamic. This is the point. So, it is contained in the body, and this makes it a dynamic aspect of the Divine Consciousness. You feel it as a Grace, you feel it in many ways. Usually people who are doing this Yoga physically feel a force, coming in and descending. Of course there are different degrees. We can go on saying, well the Supramental Descent, YES, but wait. Because that requires an integral process also. So, there are different degrees of this descent of energy, force, Divine Consciousness...whatever you want to call it. Depending on what you are able to receive, and also depending on the total conditions that allow for this. So, it's a force. Call it Consciousness, that takes forms according to your particular needs, your particular stage of evolution. You may call it the Divine Grace. I mean, the Dove coming down...that photo of Agni-in-the-Core in The New Way. The impression is that. But of course there you have geometrically this combination, that you do not have anywhere else.

    We were talking about the spiritual ‘supermarket’ that exists in the United States. There is so much. Could you say a word; How does one find the right path? How is one directed to find the right path for himself?

    Well, you know, that is why in India they consider that in a lifetime when you find your real guru, that is the most blessed lifetime; and that is why they revere the Guru — because of this. Because it is not easy. And you may pass many lifetimes and you don't come upon it. It is really a supreme grace when you come to the point that you have met your master you see? And what can I say? It is not something that anybody can impose. The only thing that you can do is to put yourself inwardly in the condition to receive. And it will definitely come. Now, a way that you can go about this is this opening to the Divine, and this conscious call, this conscious offering of yourself for this purpose: that you be given this grace. There is really nothing else that you can do, to leave yourself inwardly prepared. That doesn't mean to become stupid and accept anything, because one of the sayings of Sri Aurobindo is that people came to the Ashram for his work, they came to lose the ego but the first thing they lost was their common sense!

                    (Laughter)

    This is certainly what happens in America! Not only America. All over! You know, when people start justifying things. There's a breakdown of a certain ashram, and then you hear all of these justifications: Well, the Guru really meant this and he…What? He meant what he meant! Unless you really have a perception to see that this is a certain strategy.... But mostly in these movements things are very clear. You have to be very careful and be discriminating.

    And also it seems, at least in this country, many movements start out quite pure, and then these energies come into them....

    In our latest newsletter, the Vishaal [1/2, June, 1986] I discuss this situation, especially in terms of eastern teachings that have come here. I was talking about movements coming from the East and getting swallowed up...

    And good teachers becoming really corrupted.

    It is remarkable, what goes on. Because they are coming here and they are confronting a power that is the contribution of the United States to this world process. And they are confronting it here, really the heart of materialism. I mean in its purest sense. As a solution. As a poise. As opposed to Spirit. Solution, on the material plane. This emphasis, this focus on that. And they come here, and they tell you — all of them — (again we come right back to the same problem) they tell you: It's an illusion.
    Buddhism is very strong in this country, and though the Buddha didn't preach that, this was the general outcome of his teachings. That it is an illusion and you must accept it as that, and be done with it as soon as possible. So, they come here and they think that they are going to save everyone. What are they basically preaching? Again it is some otherworldly reward, or state.... And again, because they are not...it is an escape process and they are not poising themselves properly to deal with this phenomenon that is the United States, they are undermined in this. And they succumb to this. They must. Again, it is almost mathematical. They have to succumb to that. They think they are going to bring eastern spirituality here, and what happens is they don't have the power, they don't have the poise to withstand this impact. And these collapses come; they are overtaken. Because they are denying the truth in this. Constantly. So that denial leaves them vulnerable. And the process goes on.
    This is why the solution has to be this real integration of what the East represents and what the West represents; and that is then something higher. It is not taking this and taking that and putting them together. It's this higher thing that integrates those two. And that is what we are in the process of bringing down, and discovering: this higher poise that brings about integration. If you ignore that, if you ignore that there is such a possibility of doing such a thing, you get lost over here, you get lost over there. It is inevitable. And money! That's the key to it.

    That doesn't make the philosophies bad, it's just somehow they don't travel very well. I wonder how effective the eastern philosophy is in the West, at all.

    They're ineffective. Certainly they are not the solution. I don't mean to sound intolerant, but I am just telling you the fact which I think you can see for yourselves: that we haven't found a solution. Of course people are very disturbed because then they say, ‘Well, the problem is that we must find a western solution.’

    Yoga for the West.

    Yes, you know, it goes on and on like this. But it's all the same thing. There is a universal work, there is something that goes beyond this kind of division. And this is what is being born today. This is mainly the reason for this interchange: so that everybody is ready for it.

    A lot of people have had very significant and powerful experiences, no matter how impure the teaching was by the time they got it. It has helped them on. I have had experiences that have helped me on my path, to get to a point where I am receptive to other things.

    Yes, this is it. And exposed you to things. Thirty years ago young people did not even know the word yoga existed. They didn't know what it was. The terminology. If you are interested in astrology: look how many people can now appreciate better the Gnostic Circle because they know that something like the 12 zodiacal signs exist. They know the symbols. Before this wasn't possible.

    Another thing we were discussing was our relationship to the religion we were brought up in. And all three of us said we were no longer very interested in Judaism. And yet, what was the significance of having incarnated in Jewish bodies? Do we have to come to terms with that in a certain way, or are we free to become yogis or whatever we wish? Do you see a conflict there?

    There's the same conflict that anybody would have who was born...I mean, I was born into a Catholic family and, well, I don't find any traces of that at all. However, culturally of course there are, and we carry that along.

    Spiritually, do we have to come to terms with this spiritually in any given incarnation?

    No, I really don't think so in terms of spirituality; but, you know, when you do find your way, there is that immediate recognition. As happened to me, for example. The language was the one. You understood it right away, you vibrated to it. And this had nothing to do with what a Catholic...but it wasn't Hindu also. It was Sri Aurobindo's language which was also new. This work is as revolutionary in India as it may be anywhere else. In India the only difference is that they'll all sit and say, Yes, Yes...because the Hindus accept absolutely anything! Everybody says yes-yes-yes, but nobody does anything! So they all agree, and you don't get any flak. It's all wonderful, and the Divine is wonderful, and everybody is so full of bhakti. That's it. And they mean it sincerely. It is not a pose; in every fibre of their beings, they are the most tolerant people in the world.
    But you see, in India too they have moved away from this, and they have not accepted this solution here. They have finally come to that grand proclamation that material creation is an illusion. That was the height of what they reached, until Sri Aurobindo came along. It was in the Middle Ages that they reached that; and believe me, it is such a strong imprint that it seems almost impossible to get over it.

    You're talking about the Lila?

    Yes, it is supposed to be an ‘illusion’.

    So, the problems for everybody in this respect are the same. The Jewish problem is very interesting because of the condition of western society — Jewish and Christian at the same time. Again you have to look at these things: What are these religions, what are these peoples? I have written many chapters on this in the third volume of The New Way, on the Jews and the Arabs and this development of the mental and the vital. Each one representing that. Now, it seems crazy: How can a people represent this? Well, you take the Arabs, — just to give you a little detail of the Arabs representing the vital being in the world sense. And isn't it clear: ENERGY. Look at what they did to the world in 1973. That turned everything upside-down. They had this ‘black gold’, and everything was in reaction to that. And you take it just in terms of animal symbols too, because you have the Horse that represents that vital energy from very ancient times. And you have the most magnificent horse that came out of the Arab world: the Arabian, and the Thoroughbred.
    Little things like that will give — apart from the characteristics of the race, of the religion that formed out of it — the nature of the race. And then you have the Jewish, of course, that represents the mental. Very clear. You see?

    So right now they are at each other's throats, and rather than be integrated...

    There is no solution.

    There can't be a solution.

    On that level there is no solution. Only when the higher ‘thing’ manifests.

    But wouldn't you have thought it would have happened earlier when there was the transition from the vital to the mental, rather than at this point, when we are in the transition from the mental to the spiritual?

    No, because now we are going into these higher levels where this is possible. Before it wasn't at all. You have to complete these circles before you get to the point where you can...

    But it is more possible?

    Well if it is not possible now it is not going to be possible at any other time! Because it is one way or the other now. Remember, it is the 9th Manifestation. That's the key. It is the 9th Manifestation. From the 9th you extend your boundaries. And that is exactly what is happening now. Then you go to the point of integration and unity, — the 10th, 11th, and 12th.

    I have another question which is, how, if at all, does this teaching deal with the concept that there are souls that incarnate on other galaxies,  and then come to Earth; either as rescue souls, or whatever, at certain points in evolution here.

    Oh gosh, I have had to deal with this problem....

                    (Laughter)

    I can see it's not one of your favourite subjects!

                    (Laughter)

    No, I...again, it's slightly irrelevant, in a sense. You know, anything is possible. Well, I certainly believe that we are seeing something from outer space; that the people that are seeing these, are seeing. But the question is, What are we seeing? Where is it coming from? Is it coming really from another galaxy? Or is it from another dimension that now has taken this form, because we are in this Age. There are so many descriptions of things in the Bible; of visions that people have, or angels. Well, now people see a man from Mars, or something else, from Sirius, or some other galaxy. Much of this is conditioned. So, there is something behind it all, you see. But people have to realise that the form that it takes is very largely conditioned by our stage of evolution. We are in the space age; so obviously we like those kind of solutions. That's one aspect.
    The other aspect is; what has that got to do with the Earth, really? I think that again this is a solution from outside. This is saying, ‘well we are going to be saved by something from outside.’ I know that that is not so.

    When I ask I'm not coming from that point. I almost didn't ask, because I felt, it really is not relevant. There still is the work that needs to be done here. But I do think it's relevant, on the other hand, because while you were talking...you know when it came into my head actually? It was when you were talking about the human being evolving and at certain points in the life if the right choice is not made, then these crusts will develop. It occurred to me that perhaps a soul...I've been told that I am a soul that came to this Earth during the Atlantean era and that I was from a place called ‘Arcturus’.

    You too!

                    (Laughter)

     Great!... I'm not ridiculing this, I just find it interesting.

    It doesn't matter. It doesn't mean anything to me. It's not useful for me to know that. But it still is perplexing because it makes me want to know, do souls incarnate on Earth and take part in the cycle and then just go off somewhere else?

    Well, they may. But honestly I've dealt with this VERY DEEPLY lately. I can't tell you how deeply I've dealt with this very galaxy!

                    (Laughter)

    And I have great respect for certain people...prominent ones from that galaxy! But the point is that...they don't have the answers. And why? Because they really are closed in that perception that they have come and that they are bringing something, and they have a special mission to help. They are involved in this whole lifting off the planet when the axis.... Well, now what happens here again is that they have not understood what the nature of the work is, what the Earth as a planet signifies, and what its purpose is in the solar system. And that's all I'm concerned with.
    If you're coming from Arcturus and you're going to help, that's well and good; but you've got to do this. Whatever you bring from Arcturus is not going to be any solution here at all, because, you see, it is the total conditions at each moment; and you cannot reproduce those any place else. Or else you don't come into this body. Then you really come in a space suit, or whatever, with all your gear and you go back again. But you cannot reproduce this. The work must be done in the body, and rooted here and with all the solutions that all the totality of these conditions can provide. And they cannot come from outside.
    They may be souls that are evolved, in a certain sense they have experienced different things, and have a certain maturity and wisdom; but those people are still infants when they come into this. Because the conditions are different. And require different solutions.
    Again, I find this another escape. It is fascinating because it's a wave going through the United States. You get these communications, from automatic writing, or whatever, and people believe absolutely anything that comes through. And it's all very flattering...probably they even told you that you have a mission, you're going to do this, that and the other. That is usually the way it goes on. It was obviously an ‘evolved’ soul that has come back. Nobody was just a little sweeper, a garbage collector, or something like that. It's something very grand sounding. And as you said very rightfully, So what?
    There you are, stuck in that body, with all your complexes or your whatever...and you've got to deal with that, and how are you going to deal with it? It doesn't help you in the least to know these things. Even if it were true. And most people that really are that, don't bother with it. In fact, they don't even know. And it never comes to them. It may very well be, but it's just that somehow these things then take possession of people and they deviate from the...

    That's right. This came through a psychic and I had put off going to a psychic for a very long time because I saw a lot of people using information that came from psychics as a way of avoiding responsibility for their own lives and dealing with external solutions.

    How did she get this, by automatic writing?

    She has a source. It comes through a source, and she is a channel.

    Well, it's the same thing.

    Right. But I had the same response which was, on one level, this was very interesting, but it doesn't really change what...you know, it doesn't change...

    And the point is that it may not be true, and then you are carried.... Usually it is not true. Usually it's imaginative, and there are beings that are playing a lot of games in other dimensions. You know, they are communicating a lot of things to create a very big confusion.
    And why? Why is this taking place? Because really, now comes the crunch! Everybody wants to stamp their own image on what is taking place here. It is not even wicked, as such. It's just that there are forces, as there are forces that work for the destiny of the Earth itself, in attunement with the Earth's soul, there are forces that have a completely different purpose; and would like to see their solutions, or their image stamped upon this, in total ignorance.
    You know, what I find very interesting is that some of these psychics, for example, are contacting people who lived here and have died, right? They have their sources and they contact those people, and they have their ‘friends’ on the other side, or whatever. And somehow, just the fact that it's a disembodied entity, makes everything true! If they had a limited consciousness here, they've got the same limited consciousness on the other side. They may know a few other things, they may be able to predict, on a very limited scale, happenings; because they can manipulate certain forces and allow for things to happen. But this is all on a very, very limited level. And this is the danger, because if you know this, and if you deal with this consciously, it can be very interesting. If you don't, it can be extremely dangerous. Really dangerous. Or else just distracting.

    Can all the comments that you've just made be applied to Ramtha?

    I've heard that name, among all the...on the West coast, isn't it? I've heard through another person, who has a different ‘source’ (!) I haven't read the writings of this Ramtha, so I can't comment directly; I would have to see them. Somebody said it was awful, and this, that and the other. There were things apparently that were positively awful! I'd have to see it myself. But, I can say that usually the level of these things is very old — old consciousness. This is what I have felt of any of those communications that I have picked up. It is an old, old consciousness. And it really has nothing to do with the real work.
    So it's a problem, because some people are greatly uplifted by these things. For some people it is their only contact with something out of the material, something which they can term ‘spiritual’. And they don't see the limitation. In India people understand this in very great depth: the occult planes; how these forces work. Tantra deals with that.
    So in India they make a clear distinction between occult practices and spiritual practices, while in America they don't understand this at all. And therefore they just push it [the distinction] aside.
    Now in this Yoga you don't. You cannot say, I want only the spiritual and not the occult, because the occult practices are dealing with that Cosmic Body of the Mother. That is where all of that is going on; and that's a very important part. But you see, it can be that ‘maya’, that temptress, that illusion; in terms of the Rig Veda, she is called ‘Diti’. Or it can be Aditi, the Mother of Light, the Mother of Unity, the Mother of Bliss. So, you have these two things, and it is a very fine line. One of the most difficult experiences is when you see these two sides of the thing, — the dark and light of the same Mother, and you don't know what the ultimate solution is.
    So, it is not possible to say: Just leave it all aside. I think what really one has to say is, ‘Be very careful and find a guide who you can trust in these matters, if you really feel...’ If it is not your destiny to go along that way and you really want a spiritual level, it's best then just to leave it alone because it can lead you astray. And if it is your destiny that you work on a more integral thing, then it's good to have somebody who knows about these things, as a guide. And usually the people who are serving as mediums are not very evolved in that way. They are usually just channels through whom this is coming. So, between you and that disembodied entity, whoever, you have got to rely on your own discrimination. And most of us simply do not have the knowledge.

    I saw part of the ‘Ramtha Tapes’, which are being circulated in this country. It was very interesting to watch just what happened to the woman when she became that, and the way she spoke. A lot of what was said was said in humour, almost in a flippant way. There was a great deal of flippancy. But, oddly enough, some of Sri Aurobindo's teachings were presented.

    They do. They do.

    It's not the old teaching. There are new teachings coming through, about the evolution of the new body. It got so silly...a really mixed bag.

    That is the whole problem. These entities do have access to certain information. Everybody is now onto the thing about the new body. It's clear that something has happened, cosmically, let's say, to allow these things. But it is what you said: a mixed bag. That's the problem. That's the most serious problem, it is that [is how?] how are you going to distinguish? And one thing is a contact like that. Another thing is really getting involved. Now I know this because I have dealt with this thoroughly. I've done this myself, and I know it thoroughly, how it works. And I know the point at which you have to be very careful, because, yes, so many things come through that are simply astounding. But it's a mixture. In the experiences that I had it wasn't so much the mixture; that wasn't the problem. But I could see.... I received years ago volumes of things, that today people are publishing. Well, I destroyed them all because I said, what's the point, what am I going to do with this. It was like a weight. So one day — I was in India — I just made a bonfire of the whole thing! It wouldn't have occurred to me, ever, to publish these things. Yet these people go on doing it. Well, it can be very important for your own personal development. I had a particular contact, and of course it identified itself as the Divine Mother...well, but I had to test it constantly, and really put itself and myself through very difficult situations, in order to be able to come to the truth of what was behind it, how it functions. For your own personal development, if you have a contact like that, sometimes it can of course be very important. But the way it is being used today is simply another ego manifestation. Usually the solutions are old, as I say. They may say some things...and they usually say what you want to hear. I mean, it is very clever manipulation that is very difficult for people to deal with. We don't know how. We don't have that knowledge.
    Tantric yogis, for example, can deal with those things, but they go through very long and severe initiations, a whole process that allows them to do this. And still there is always a danger, still. But because they do worship the Mother, the Shakti, they have to deal with that. They cannot...because, as I say, all of this is taking place within the cosmic body: the Mother, within that Cosmic Body. And if you are following a path like that, you invariably come to this point, when you have to discriminate. But you make a discrimination. And you know what is coming from an even higher source.
    So, that's all I have to say. Each case is very individual in this. You have to go into it, you have to see what it means for that person. What I always say is, ‘All right then, MOVE ON.’ That was interesting, it mentioned Sri Aurobindo, it might have reminded you, might have been a source to remind you of something. But you move on to more solid work. But I find a lot of these people don't because they are flattered and they create then a whole cult around this. This is happening in America.

    Including a lot of money.

    It's phenomenal the money that people pour out because of these kind of...

    The spiritual teachings I received from Indian teachers always said that you can't take money for teaching about God. You know, that knowledge has to be given free. Or if there is some, it is minimal, just so that the teacher can continue to function. But I always feel that when people come to teach about God and they say the seminar about God is $400.... There is something not quite right about that!

    There was one who had a happy balance in all this, to whom I was rather close at one time. I may disagree with some points, but in this.... That was Krishnamurti. I think he handled that beautifully. You know, he was involved with a lot of money always because the people he was with had money. And he lived the best...I mean, his attire, everything. It was always the best. Yet, at least all the times I saw him, in Rome and Gstaad, of course we didn't have to pay to go. He had money, because he started schools, so he needed it for that. But he kept a happy balance in this; he dealt with it in the right way.
    You need money. You have to have it, to publish books, to do this, that. I had a terrible conflict in the beginning, where I thought, Well, money, that's out, that's really awful. And of course I had a shock to see the Mother dealing with money. I thought, at that time, that it should have been like Ramakrishna...who couldn't even touch a coin, because if he touched it his fingers BURNED! It was awful.
    Well, that was totally stupid, also. It was obviously something unresolved in me at that time, that couldn't deal with this problem. So, there has to be a balance. Sure. Money represents something. We can't deny it; and we have to deal with it, I won't say spiritually, but we have to understand what the force is and why these movements get so much. How is it that they can draw in millions, they become multi-million dollar organisations. And at that point the whole thing is lost.
    But I think in a case like Krishnamurti's, for example, whatever he started out with he did not lose. Whether one agrees with what he says or not, is a different thing. But that never contaminated it, this contact with money never did. And he had very rational, very sane dealings with people that followed him. There was never a difficulty, never the scandals that come out.... First class, you know.
    That was Krishnamurti's destiny. It was that from the beginning; in fact, that was why he was able to handle it so well.

    It's gotten out of hand in this country.

    Of course. But everything in that sense has gotten out of hand.

    I think part of the reason is that people are so desperate for an answer, they're willing to pay and they think...

    ...the more they pay, the more true the answer will be.

    It follows from that that we are imbalanced, that we work from the left hemisphere of the brain, altogether, in this country?

    Well, I really can't go into that deeply. I think that there is a certain amount of truth in that, but I would say that we are functioning from half levels of both. You know what I mean? This is more the answer, that there is a distortion on both. Because if you really go into it, in the areas that each hemisphere governs you find the same kind of distortion. So, I would say that we tend to think of it now in terms of the left being prominent. But, only apparently, really; only on the surface is that true. I think that the problems we face as a society are projections from both sides that are simply not integrated and in harmony, because, again, something else....
    This is where Sri Aurobindo's teachings come in, very strongly. This whole matter of a manifestation of what he calls the Supermind, which is something beyond all of this; that is, that would be the governing principle of a new race. And that is why all of this is breaking down now, you see, because this higher principle must come in and establish itself. And then put into right perspective everything. Every part of the being, governed by both — the more emotive and the more intellectual — what we call the mental and the vital.

    There is a lot of confusion in this area. For instance in India they talk of the mind; but what I think they're referring to is a mixture of the emotions and the intellect...

    I think there is a confusion. I agree with you...they often refer to mind also as the spirit. Like the hymns that Vivekananda, that Ramakrishna used to chant, you often find them translated as, ‘O Mind, soar above’ and so on. And there it clearly gives the impression of the spirit. This is what they mean. These are the technicalities that at some point become important to clarify. In the beginning it is just semantics; it is unimportant. But when you get into the Yoga very seriously, at some point you really have to start defining. You want to know what you are dealing with, what Mind is, what Consciousness is, what the Soul is. Make distinctions between these things. Right now it is very interesting the work they are doing on the brain. I think it is extremely interesting, but I think that, again, it's like everything else: it's just the beginning. There are very big possibilities of discovery, as yet not really fully understanding...

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